On June 10, 2025, Dr. Mary Talley Bowden, an ENT specialist from Texas, appeared on the popular podcast 'The Joe Rogan Experience' and made startling allegations regarding hospital practices during the COVID-19 pandemic. Her testimony, which included detailed data and personal accounts, visibly unsettled the host, Joe Rogan. Dr. Bowden, who is known for advocating medical freedom, accused hospitals of engaging in practices that she deemed as deliberate harm to patients during the critical periods of the pandemic.
Dr. Bowden's experience in treating COVID-19 patients outside conventional hospital settings has given her a unique perspective on the institutional procedures that were in place during the pandemic. She claimed, "Hospitals were euthanizing COVID patients to free up beds, and that was not an uncommon practice." Her allegations were supported by the case of Grace Schara, a 19-year-old with Down syndrome who died in 2021 after what Bowden described as unauthorized medical intervention. The Schara family has since taken legal action against the hospital system, claiming medical battery.
The interview with Rogan brought to light several cases where families have accused hospitals of providing inappropriate care without proper consent. Rogan, taken aback, sought clarification on the grave allegations. Dr. Bowden reiterated her stance, claiming that the use of morphine and insulin to euthanize patients was a regular occurrence and that she had reviewed medical charts that supported these claims.
In addition to hospital practices, Dr. Bowden shared her own medical practice data comparing antibody levels between vaccinated and unvaccinated patients. She reported a significant difference in spike protein antibody measurements, with vaccinated individuals showing substantially higher levels. The data suggested that vaccinated patients had an average of 13,427 antibody levels compared to 1,323 for the unvaccinated, based on her patient base of 129 individuals.
Furthermore, Dr. Bowden linked these findings to conversations with colleagues at major medical institutions who reported unusual cases among younger patients, including advanced tumors that deviated from historical cancer patterns. "I do have friends at MD Anderson, and they said they've never seen anything like it," she mentioned during the podcast.
The interview also touched upon Rogan's own experiences with COVID-19 treatment in 2021, particularly his controversial use of ivermectin, which drew significant criticism from the medical establishment and mainstream media. Reflecting on the backlash, Rogan concluded, "This was never about public health," commending Dr. Bowden and Dr. Robert Malone for their courage to challenge the prevailing health narratives despite facing professional risks. The interview has since sparked widespread discussion and debate over the ethical conduct of hospitals during the pandemic.
